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	<description>Books, code, and additional stuff about &#38; by Julie Meloni.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on Code Year, Codecademy, and Learning to Code by Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://www.thickbook.com/2012/01/thoughts-on-code-year-codecademy-and-learning-to-code/#comment-888</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank goodness it is not me and bless you for this post.  A course I&#039;m taking at my University had me go through the beginning modules at Codecademy and I pretty much felt the same way your example student did after completing them... &quot;huh?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank goodness it is not me and bless you for this post.  A course I&#8217;m taking at my University had me go through the beginning modules at Codecademy and I pretty much felt the same way your example student did after completing them&#8230; &#8220;huh?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear StackExchange: Will You Be My Valentine? by jcmeloni</title>
		<link>http://www.thickbook.com/2012/02/dear-stackexchange-will-you-be-my-valentine/#comment-886</link>
		<dc:creator>jcmeloni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that technically it would be pretty difficult to implement within the current Stack paradigm, but if a proposal goes through Area 51 and makes it, it would be interesting to watch.

But I don’t think that SE is unwelcoming to newcomers, and I really don’t believe that that the minimal requirements for newcomers to get help (e.g. ask a question in accordance with a site FAQ) are prohibitive. I don’t know how much more handholding would be actually helpful to the person. It’s completely reasonable to require people to put a little effort into the process — try something, look something up, look for existing Q&amp;A on the SE site they plan to use. Those who don’t do that, and who instead approach SE as “do my (home)work for me”, aren’t going to be helped by more by being in a novices area (and in fact, there are plenty of folks who aren’t novices and are just lazy, who do that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that technically it would be pretty difficult to implement within the current Stack paradigm, but if a proposal goes through Area 51 and makes it, it would be interesting to watch.</p>
<p>But I don’t think that SE is unwelcoming to newcomers, and I really don’t believe that that the minimal requirements for newcomers to get help (e.g. ask a question in accordance with a site FAQ) are prohibitive. I don’t know how much more handholding would be actually helpful to the person. It’s completely reasonable to require people to put a little effort into the process — try something, look something up, look for existing Q&#038;A on the SE site they plan to use. Those who don’t do that, and who instead approach SE as “do my (home)work for me”, aren’t going to be helped by more by being in a novices area (and in fact, there are plenty of folks who aren’t novices and are just lazy, who do that).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear StackExchange: Will You Be My Valentine? by Greg Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.thickbook.com/2012/02/dear-stackexchange-will-you-be-my-valentine/#comment-883</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think about a &quot;novices&#039; area&quot; (aka &quot;Stack Underflow&quot;) to help newcomers ease into the community? http://software-carpentry.org/2012/02/stack-underflow/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think about a &#8220;novices&#8217; area&#8221; (aka &#8220;Stack Underflow&#8221;) to help newcomers ease into the community? <a href="http://software-carpentry.org/2012/02/stack-underflow/" rel="nofollow">http://software-carpentry.org/2012/02/stack-underflow/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Tech Books: Not Dead! by Dear StackExchange: Will You Be My Valentine? &#124; thickbook.com</title>
		<link>http://www.thickbook.com/2011/12/tech-books-not-dead/#comment-880</link>
		<dc:creator>Dear StackExchange: Will You Be My Valentine? &#124; thickbook.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me of the core audience I&#8217;m focused on teaching when writing all of my books. As I wrote in &#8220;Tech Books: Not Dead!&#8221;, my target audience is the absolute beginner. Boy howdy are there a lot of them who post on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me of the core audience I&#8217;m focused on teaching when writing all of my books. As I wrote in &#8220;Tech Books: Not Dead!&#8221;, my target audience is the absolute beginner. Boy howdy are there a lot of them who post on [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s Next? by Dear StackExchange: Will You Be My Valentine? &#124; thickbook.com</title>
		<link>http://www.thickbook.com/2011/12/whats-next/#comment-879</link>
		<dc:creator>Dear StackExchange: Will You Be My Valentine? &#124; thickbook.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] given the new year (always a good time to start new things), time on my hands after quitting my job, and a deep desire to get back to my roots (firmly planted outside of academia), I decided to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] given the new year (always a good time to start new things), time on my hands after quitting my job, and a deep desire to get back to my roots (firmly planted outside of academia), I decided to [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on Code Year, Codecademy, and Learning to Code by &#187; My latest at ProfHacker: Building Programming Tutorials with Codecademy Ryan Cordell</title>
		<link>http://www.thickbook.com/2012/01/thoughts-on-code-year-codecademy-and-learning-to-code/#comment-874</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; My latest at ProfHacker: Building Programming Tutorials with Codecademy Ryan Cordell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] dedicated to another topic, as customized tutorials could supplement face to face instruction. Julie Meloni makes some great points about the pedagogical problems of Codecademy and the question of results: &#8220;&#8230;it is not teaching you how to code. It is teaching you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] dedicated to another topic, as customized tutorials could supplement face to face instruction. Julie Meloni makes some great points about the pedagogical problems of Codecademy and the question of results: &#8220;&#8230;it is not teaching you how to code. It is teaching you [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on Code Year, Codecademy, and Learning to Code by Building Programming Tutorials with Codecademy - ProfHacker - The Chronicle of Higher Education</title>
		<link>http://www.thickbook.com/2012/01/thoughts-on-code-year-codecademy-and-learning-to-code/#comment-873</link>
		<dc:creator>Building Programming Tutorials with Codecademy - ProfHacker - The Chronicle of Higher Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] dedicated to another topic, as customized tutorials could supplement face to face instruction. Julie Meloni makes some great points about the pedagogical problems of Codecademy and the question of results: &#8220;&#8230;it is not teaching you how to code. It is teaching you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] dedicated to another topic, as customized tutorials could supplement face to face instruction. Julie Meloni makes some great points about the pedagogical problems of Codecademy and the question of results: &#8220;&#8230;it is not teaching you how to code. It is teaching you [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on Code Year, Codecademy, and Learning to Code by Chris Raymond</title>
		<link>http://www.thickbook.com/2012/01/thoughts-on-code-year-codecademy-and-learning-to-code/#comment-872</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh thank you for this post. I made it through about 3 lessons, was told I was wrong with no explanation, and gave up. Without any context for this stuff, I just don&#039;t have the patience to grasp it. I&#039;ve had problems to solve in designing some feature on a website, and was able to find and adapt a jquery script for it--as many hours as that took--because I had a meaningful contextual motivation to keep at it. I several years ago took an online Javascript class through the local community college and that also was frustrating. The instructor had typos in the code, used a version of Javascript that was not compatible with my Mac, and I finished feeling like, What was the purpose of that?

I am now doing an online jquery &quot;class&quot; but at least that language makes more sense to me because I can see how that dovetails with marking up a website and using jquery for effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh thank you for this post. I made it through about 3 lessons, was told I was wrong with no explanation, and gave up. Without any context for this stuff, I just don&#8217;t have the patience to grasp it. I&#8217;ve had problems to solve in designing some feature on a website, and was able to find and adapt a jquery script for it&#8211;as many hours as that took&#8211;because I had a meaningful contextual motivation to keep at it. I several years ago took an online Javascript class through the local community college and that also was frustrating. The instructor had typos in the code, used a version of Javascript that was not compatible with my Mac, and I finished feeling like, What was the purpose of that?</p>
<p>I am now doing an online jquery &#8220;class&#8221; but at least that language makes more sense to me because I can see how that dovetails with marking up a website and using jquery for effects.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on Code Year, Codecademy, and Learning to Code by Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.thickbook.com/2012/01/thoughts-on-code-year-codecademy-and-learning-to-code/#comment-871</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“get familiar with _something_, don’t being afraid, and learn more!” 

This is basically my exact motivation for going through Code Year. I&#039;m currently pursuing a BS degree in computer networking, and understand that at least a rudimentary profiency in &quot;programming&quot; and &quot;code&quot; is required to get anywhere beyond the help desk position in the work force, even though I&#039;m not looking to get into the coding side of the industry. 

Like Jay mentioned, they did slow the pace down after the first few weeks, and started to explain things much more clearly, I would imagine due to the scrutiny they have received for their teaching techniques. There have been a couple of instances where they&#039;ve used more complex concepts within examples demonstrating whatever it is they may be teaching that week (specifically Math.floor and Math.random, and the concept of Objects, null, and indefined), where they have made sure to point out &quot;Look, we know this part of the code is more advanced, just copy it for now, and know that we will get back to it.&quot; Sure enough, when they went over Math.floor and Math.random last week, they made sure to explain it in great detail, far more detail then they used in their first few lessons. 

I&#039;m not here to champion for Codeacademy/Code Year. I think there are valid criticisms with their grandiosity. However, they are doing a great job of making code seem less scary, which I think is very important. They may not teach the world to code, but they are doing a great job of taking the scary face off programming and making it more accessible to smart people who have been intimidated by it in the past, and so in that respect, it has to be considered a valueable tool. 

I know I&#039;m not going to become a programming wizard through the program (nor is that my goal), however, I am now looking outside the program for more ways to develop my understanding of coding, because now that Code Year has made me realize its not as scary as I&#039;ve thought (for two decades, since I logged in to my first BBS at the age of 12), im actually excited, enthusiastic, and motived to learn these new skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“get familiar with _something_, don’t being afraid, and learn more!” </p>
<p>This is basically my exact motivation for going through Code Year. I&#8217;m currently pursuing a BS degree in computer networking, and understand that at least a rudimentary profiency in &#8220;programming&#8221; and &#8220;code&#8221; is required to get anywhere beyond the help desk position in the work force, even though I&#8217;m not looking to get into the coding side of the industry. </p>
<p>Like Jay mentioned, they did slow the pace down after the first few weeks, and started to explain things much more clearly, I would imagine due to the scrutiny they have received for their teaching techniques. There have been a couple of instances where they&#8217;ve used more complex concepts within examples demonstrating whatever it is they may be teaching that week (specifically Math.floor and Math.random, and the concept of Objects, null, and indefined), where they have made sure to point out &#8220;Look, we know this part of the code is more advanced, just copy it for now, and know that we will get back to it.&#8221; Sure enough, when they went over Math.floor and Math.random last week, they made sure to explain it in great detail, far more detail then they used in their first few lessons. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not here to champion for Codeacademy/Code Year. I think there are valid criticisms with their grandiosity. However, they are doing a great job of making code seem less scary, which I think is very important. They may not teach the world to code, but they are doing a great job of taking the scary face off programming and making it more accessible to smart people who have been intimidated by it in the past, and so in that respect, it has to be considered a valueable tool. </p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m not going to become a programming wizard through the program (nor is that my goal), however, I am now looking outside the program for more ways to develop my understanding of coding, because now that Code Year has made me realize its not as scary as I&#8217;ve thought (for two decades, since I logged in to my first BBS at the age of 12), im actually excited, enthusiastic, and motived to learn these new skills.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on Code Year, Codecademy, and Learning to Code by Progressive enhancement and progressive politics: a reply to Ben Hoh &#124; barrysaunders.com</title>
		<link>http://www.thickbook.com/2012/01/thoughts-on-code-year-codecademy-and-learning-to-code/#comment-860</link>
		<dc:creator>Progressive enhancement and progressive politics: a reply to Ben Hoh &#124; barrysaunders.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] education &#8211; it frequently leads to problematic calls to &#8216;flip the classroom&#8216;, learn to code and de-politicised yet heavily ideological political movements at best. Design thinkers often try [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] education &#8211; it frequently leads to problematic calls to &#8216;flip the classroom&#8216;, learn to code and de-politicised yet heavily ideological political movements at best. Design thinkers often try [...]</p>
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